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The Jimmy Dore Show podcast april 5, 2013

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The Jimmy Dore Show april 5, 2013

4-5-13

-Phone Calls from Herman Cain and Chris Christie

 -More damning video tape of Chris Matthews cheerleading the Iraq war.

 -35 Teacher's in Atlanta  go to JAIL over cheating scandal

With Mike MacRae, Jim Earl, Marc Unger, Steve Rosenfield

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I can’t stand Mike Barnicle and his daughter is so horrible. I went to high school with her and she was a massively stupid bitch. Mike Barnicle couldn’t even help her with her homework or her mom. Thank you for this awesomely funny ha bisky podcast.

I love the Premium Content that was so funny. I am not even 5 mins in and laughing so freaking hard.

I was beaten when I was younger and it bothered me. Now that I am older it bothers me even more. I realize how bad it actually was and that I wasn’t wrong for feeling the way I did.

Thank you for the Premium Content it was awesomely funny. I love the phone calls.

Yeah MSNBC is as full as shit as is Foxnews. Just another propaganda war mongering network that hides the truth.

Your teacher rant is way off. I know you have good intentions, but still it comes off as ignorant. Teachers can’t be fired in this country really, no matter how good or bad they are, so there is no great teacher standing in the wings to take their job. If you really watched “Waiting For Superman”, you’d know that the bad teachers merely get reassigned to other schools (the same way that priests accused of misconduct get reassigned to other churches).

The only time some teachers really face any sort of real punishment is when their misconduct crosses over to criminal matters (i.e. it’s out of the school’s hands.)

Our schools are failing and like it or not bad teachers is part of the problem along with bad administrations and bad parents.

Jimmy Dooooore!!!

Hows it going buddy? Your summary of Chris Mathews was awesome! That’s why I’m here. Do I ever need to listen to Tweety again? …nope. I’m done. Now I know that guy and there is no need to waste time on anything he has to say. At first I thought maybe you missed how stupid his book was. Run your life like a campaign was the main thesis.

Canada link
http://watch.thecomedynetwork.ca/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart/interviews-a-z/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart—interviews-m/clip19048#clip19048

US link (I think)
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-october-2-2007/chris-matthews

But like you said in the video, there is so much wrong with the guy, many many things are going to be missed.

Looking forward to your reply to Robert above. Maybe you will give a few more words on the privatization propaganda piece “Waiting For Superman”?

Its funny how competition and free market principles are always forced on the bottom while CEO accountability is a long circle jerk where one ceo’s compensation is based on how well he determined the compensation of his board members.

For me, the call for privatization has always a been a call for management review. A sign of a problem at the top. A call for privatization is based on the premise labour + material costs in a public system is much greater than labour + material costs + profits in a private system. Doesn’t that imply a very poorly managed public system. However, the managers are usually appointed by the politicians that are calling for the privatization. A great way to make a living: solving problems you create.

The equation above just follows the logic in the propaganda, I don’t want you to think I believe its correct. In reality the privatization profits come from 1)pushing externalities on to the public, 2)reducing labour wages 3) reducing the quality of service. Non of which has anything to do with efficiency and all of which are detrimental to everyone but the owner.

Thanks for the show Jimmy.

Frum da la bum bum… out!.

@Sergio Ramirez

“Waiting For Superman” is a propaganda film. They cherry pick bad public schools and good charter schools, and use emotional manipulation and half-truths. The data show that charter schools are no more effective at combating the education problem than public schools, despite their ability to fire anyone at the drop of a hat. There is no massive pile of “good teachers” waiting in the wings to take these jobs for lower pay and no job security from all these “bad teachers”. The problems of education are mostly related to poverty. good neighborhoods have good schools, with good teachers, where parents are involved in the life of the student, they have fundraisers that the parents support, they join the PTA, and the parents support the kids outside of the classroom, helping with homework, providing expectations of success, etc.

You want to talk about teachers not getting fired, when entire Schools are getting closed down based on test scores, putting the entire onus of fighting the effects of poverty on teachers, and punishing an overworked teacher for the effects of society at large. Jimmy is exactly right on this issue. His wife is a teacher. My whole family is teachers, or rather they used to be. Many of them have had to leave, despite choosing a low-paying, thankless profession for a career because they care about education. They just couldn’t take the futility of fighting to teach children in a system that seems designed to fail. These are the people on the frontlines of this issue, and you want to tell them how the situation really is, because you saw one propaganda film on the subject. My sister still teaches. Here students are all very low income, minority and immigrant students. Many of them have parents at home who are working two and three jobs each to maintain a very low standard of living. They live in bad neighborhoods where violence is commonplace. She tells me all the time about meeting with these parents. They care about their children. They want them to succeed, but they are worn out and exhausted. They have to rely on the teacher to do all the work, and the teacher is being severely limited in creatively addressing individual students.

Each student is treated like a widget in an education factory that must score a certain percentage on a standardized test to advance. No care or attention is taken to address individual student needs, which used to be the whole job of a teacher, and it’s why you can’t operate schools like factory floors. All the money is tied to performance, so the school will spend huge chunks of their budget to hire these efficiency experts, like at a corporation, who cost as much as several teachers, will come up with some metrics on what the students are doing, and some totally nonsensical “solution” for teachers to try, get their huge checks and leave. Meanwhile, as they close more schools, mostly the schools of minorities, and always the schools of the poor, poor kids are stuffed into already over-crowded schools that are farther away from their homes. In this kind of nightmare, of course teachers are going to cheat. Their choices are somehow magically eliminate the rapidly widening income inequality gap and the elimination of the middle class single-handedly, Cheat, or give up.

http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2010/06/29/federal-study-charter-schools-no-more-successful-in-improving-achievement-attendance-or-behavior/

Sorry, Sergio, My comment is meant to be addressed to Robert. There’s no edit button.

You are half right David.

I would agree with you that the documentary does cherry pick the whole public/charter school debate, and you are right the data suggesting that charter schools do better is not there. However, the fact remains that there are a lot of bad teachers. The number of misconduct cases grows every year and some districts are at full to capacity at some of these rubber rooms as they are called. Take for example the Lausd which probably one of the most convoluted, corrupt districts in the country. Why should tax payers pay to protect bad teachers?
http://www.laweekly.com/2012-12-06/news/rubber-room-lausd-teacher-confessions-denials/

Also Dore speaks about firing teachers like if it’s easy when it’s almost impossible to get rid of them. This is not propaganda at all. You can’t fire teacher’s legally unless there is some serious misconduct, and even then unless if it’s somewhat terrible like assault or molestation nothing is done. Dude I know been there done that. Complaints merely get tossed aside from administrators. There is no accountability here. They can be demoted or reassigned, but not fired. This is why they are part of a union. The union members keep their jobs regardless of performance unless it becomes a criminal matter as I have suggested.

I would somewhat agree with your assertion about poverty. No doubt money affects everything, and it’s true that in lower income neighborhoods the money for schools is lacking. However, I wouldn’t say that’s the main reason schools are failing. It’s a combination of all the above: misconduct, misspent money, poor performances from the schools, students, teachers, and parents.

From what I have seen the schools being closed down are mainly closed down for financial reasons.

I would agree with your last paragraph whole heartedly especially on standardized test scores. I am in full agreement about assessment scores as a detriment.

This is a comment on the April 12, 2013 show. That show hasn’t been posted here yet, but I wanted to comment before my real life moved me on to other things.

Dylan Brody gives a plausible but (sadly) false etymology for the phrase “jerry-rigged” which is really a mis-hearing of the phrase “jury rig” (which has nothing to do with jury fixing). The jerry in “jerry-rig does not refer to Second World War slang for Germans, as Brody improvised during the show. German weapons and technology were often better engineered and manufactured than US, British, or Soviet weapons.

Here’s the Wikipedia entry for the related “jury-rigged” (a 17th-century nautical term for a temporary repair to a damaged sailing ship) is here…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_rig

…and one account of the origin of the 19th-century phrase “jerry-rigged” (as shoddy workmanship) originally referring to the walls of Jerico which came a-tumbling down, among other references is here…

http://www.yaelf.com/aueFAQ/mifjrrybltjryrggd.shtml

…but Jerry does not refer to anything German.

That’s right. I’m showing my support for the show through etymology.

Thank you and good night everybody! Now I can sleep.

good episode. on an unrelated note, I don’t think I’ve ever seen Amy Goodman laugh. I’ve seen her kinda perfunctorily snicker here and there at certain things, but never actually a genuine laugh. I wonder if she has a sense of humour?

RObert makes a lot of really bad points that sound like they make sense, but with a little study and critical thinking quickly loses any value.

The problem with education is not that we have too many bad teachers. Fire every “bad” teacher in the country and the failing schools would still be failing and the successful schools would still be successful.

The proof that harping on “bad teachers” as the problem is misguided comes from the data we get from Charter schools, which fire anyone whenever they want. Yet Charter schools dont perform any better than regular public schools and often times worse. So there goes that argument.

Failing schools are in failing communities. Standardized tests are wrecking education and teaching, and that is why we give tenure to master teachers, so whenever the next bone headed idea, like standardized tests, gets pushed down our throats, someone, like a master teacher, will have the job security to stand up against it.

Thanks for your opinion Robert, as uniformed and poorly thought out as it is, good to know that at least you are thinking about important things and know where to go to get the truth.

Steve, thanks for the info and for the etymology support. I learned and I laughed.

Well thanks for such an immature response and proving my point that you don’t know anything.

You really think not having any bad teachers in the country would not impact our education system? Yikes you are on a different planet dude. I am just glad you don’t have any power in the school system.

We all know that Charter schools don’t necessarily perform better but that WASN’T really the point of my remark. Charter schools have different issues from public schools, but they do get points in at least trying something different. The public schools haven’t done anything and will continue to fail based on the archaic system it has created for itself which is in part hampered by the teacher’s union and political bureacracy we have where no one is accountable for anything. There’s a reason public schools get the bad reputation they do. Idiots like you point to the money issue as the big reason that they fail conveniently ignoring all the other issues in place.

I noticed you didn’t even reply to that article I mentioned which messes your little argument with actual “facts” about the high cost of housing the teachers who misconduct charges against them. We are not talking a few dollars, we are thousands of dollars, dollars which could be applied elsewhere.

“Failing schools are in failing communities.” Not necessarily. Although that is a widely accepted “argument” as poorly as it made it doesn’t really apply to every situation. Take for example LAUSD district, Lausd represents the largest school district in California specifically Los Angeles which is hardly a poor area-it’s a mix of both. Do you know how many billions of dollars the Lausd gets every year? and do you know how many billions of dollars it wastes? Lausd represents the most bloated educational bureaucracy in the country. Look up “Belmont Center” for articles on how the LAUSD wasted millions of dollars in one school.

You can do a whole essay on why public schools have failed for such a long time, but certainly it can’t be dumbed down to one argument such as a bad community. All the articles out there point out many factors as the cause. Remember this is a school system that for a long, long time accepted a “D” as passing: Low expectations, bad politics, bad ideology, a system that doesn’t really have any sort of responsiblity on anything.

Robert, again, thanks for your input, but your ideas on the education system only parrot corporate talking points and continue to be off the mark.

If easily debunking your “all we need is to fire bad teachers” meme makes me immature, then I am guilty as charged.

Here is something you wont hear from corporate mouth pieces: Social Security doesn’t add one penny to the debt, Medicare SAVES money, and American public schools are not failing.

WHAT!!??

In fact, when you control for poverty, American students perform as well as the rest of the world. Student performance is tightly correlated with family income. Teachers can’t fix poverty, can’t fix bad prenatal care, can’t fix single parent homes, can’t fix hunger, can’t fix crime rates.

Failing schools are in failing communities, poverty is the problem.

But thanks again for taking time to repeat poorly thought out corporate talking points about education on my website, it is my pleasure to debunk them.

“Robert, again, thanks for your input, but your ideas on the education system only parrot corporate talking points and continue to be off the mark.”

-These are hardly corporate talking points, these complaints come from parents and students alike if you actually read any articles

Again, though I am not strictly saying that’s the main reason our schools are failing, but it’s definitely part of it.

“In fact, when you control for poverty, American students perform as well as the rest of the world. Student performance is tightly correlated with family income. Teachers can’t fix poverty, can’t fix bad prenatal care, can’t fix single parent homes, can’t fix hunger, can’t fix crime rates.

Failing schools are in failing communities, poverty is the problem.”

Except your rant doesn’t apply to places like Los Angeles and Lausd district where big money has been thrown at schools, community, and school system, and yet the results remain the same, so much for debunking….

Robert,

It saddens me that someone who listens to my show has such poor critical thinking skills.

“Except your rant doesn’t apply to places like Los Angeles and Lausd district where big money has been thrown at schools, community, and school system, and yet the results remain the same, so much for debunking….”

That paragraph doesn’t even make sense. Is Los Angeles a monolith? Or are there myriad neighborhoods and communities served by the LAUSD? Are there some very rich and some very poor neighborhoods that are served by the LAUSD? According your theory they are al the same. (Wow)

If you applied some critical thinking to your ridiculous premise you would realize that South Central and San Fernando valley are very different communities with very different needs and problems.

Honest, your ideas are very uninformed, make little to no sense, and are very easily debunked. Please don’t tell anyone you listen to my show.

Petty insults aside, you still have debunked anything. For someone who makes a living making fun of others for dodging questions and having trouble facing facts in arguments, you sure fit the bill. It’s a little ironic don’t you think?

“Is Los Angeles a monolith? Or are there myriad neighborhoods and communities served by the LAUSD? Are there some very rich and some very poor neighborhoods that are served by the LAUSD? According your theory they are al the same. (Wow)”

Not what I said at all…

Here lies your “theory”
“Failing schools are in failing communities, poverty is the problem.”

Let’s start with the first part of that argument. I don’t know anybody living or dead that would put the city of Los Angeles as a city of failing communities. LA has had its ups and downs, but I don’t think you can find anybody to say it’s a city of failing, poor communities. Failed opportunities, and failed chances, yes, but not a city of poor failing communities. LA has pretty much a mix of everything, some thriving communities, some growing communities, and yes some poor communities.

Now per your “theory” let’s examine the wealth of LA. Los Angeles has definitely been on the top of the list as far as money goes. The LAUSD district has been no exception. The LAUSD complains about its budget problems NOW of course conveniently neglecting to disclose ALL the cases against it where it has wasted millions of millions of dollars in tax payer money.

My point being if your “theory” was correct, and poverty and money was the sole factor in dictating a community or student’s success then why hasn’t LAUSD achieved it? why does the district that has been given millions of dollars since its existence committed so many failures?

Stop ducking my questions and resorting to petty insults, and give me a straight answer (I know what it is but want to see if you have the heart to admit it)

Read any scholar articles on income and student success, and you’ll find a bunch of different opinions on the matter. That’s to be expected, but any real scholar will likely accept all the arguments since there are always exceptions to any theory:
http://grantwiggins.wordpress.com/2012/12/12/the-odd-correlation-between-ses-and-achievement-why-havent-more-critical-questions-been-asked-a-call-to-action/

Depending on which side you stand on, you’ll likely already have your mind. Me personally, again, I don’t agree that there is one single answer as to why the public schools have failed for so long, it’s a long list of sad answers most of which parents and students know.

I am also not of the belief that somebody’s background dictates their outcome in life whether its income, their gender, blah, blah.

For a guy who started out this conversation by calling me “ignorant” you really have a pretty thin skin, and zero credibility when it comes to calling out petty insults. Are you really that unaware or are you just that comfortable exhibiting hypocrisy in public?

Public schools aren’t failing: So your Premise = Fail.

There are lots of successful thriving schools within the LAUSD.

Public schools are thriving in thriving neighborhoods, and not thriving in failing neighborhoods. I dont know what part of that sentence you don’t understand, I’m guessing the logical part.

Thanks for playing.

I called you ignorant more as a fact than an insult per your rant on the show which is still very off.

“Public schools aren’t failing: So your Premise = Fail.”

There sure are lots of schools failing and not even preparing their kids for college. Lmao are you really this clueless?:

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/california/districts

http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/high-school-notes/2012/08/22/high-school-students-not-prepared-for-college-career

“There are lots of successful thriving schools within the LAUSD.”

That’s true, I won’t deny that unlike you I will meet you halfway in your argument because I do know that not all the public schools are failing. However, I don’t generalize and say that they are ALL doing great like what you said. That’s just a flat out lie. That’s just talking out of your ass.

“Public schools are thriving in thriving neighborhoods, and not thriving in failing neighborhoods. I dont know what part of that sentence you don’t understand, I’m guessing the logical part.”

All right, so now I get the gist out of your argument. One part fails, so your try another side to explain it.

Your “logic” doesn’t match up every school though. This is what I am trying to get you to see and why I provided those articles for you to read.

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/california/districts/los-angeles-unified-school-district/page+2

I saw a lot of schools listed among good areas that would classify as “thriving” not meeting its Academic Performance. Of course I did see a lot not performing and this were noticeably in poor or underdeveloped areas. However, the point is that in some of these under-performing schools not all of them were in poor areas.

The one that caught my area was Eagle Rock High School. Eagle Rock is a good area to live in and pretty costly too (I know I used to live there). For a thriving community and city, you’d expect Eagle Rock to provide better numbers that the one posted at the site. Of course the numbers might be off on that site. They do attribute lots of minorities attending the schools, but again it would seem to be a little off as Eagle Rock is not a cheap area to live in, and you would definitely need money to live there and is generally regarded as a good community.

The other one that caught my eye is Glendale High School.
http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/california/districts/glendale-unified-school-district/glendale-high-school-2277
The communities of Glendale would hardly be classified as poor and not thriving, so there goes your theory. It like Eagle Rock is a pretty good area to live in by all accounts.

Again, a good community doesn’t necessarily rub off on the school. The stats for that school are a lot more interesting than Eagle Rock. There’s fewer minorities enrolled at the school, and only a little over half are classified as disadvantaged and yet the school is still is not meeting its CA goal. Northridge is another good example. Pretty recognized city, and community and definitely not a cheap place to live. From all accounts thriving. However, Northridge like La is microcosm of different elements.

And back to my other point is, LAUSD would hardly be classified as a poor district in general. It’s been thrown huge money to turn around some of these schools, and for better or worse, it’s been a mixed bag.

Fraud that is Michelle Rhee coming to light.

Massive Cheating Scandals Rock School Districts Nationwide
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=10102

DF: Thanks for he link! Michelle Rhee is a corporate tool who’s only real goal is to break the teachers union and privatize public education.

I wanted to say “WELL DONE.”

On Best of Left they have a clip of you suggesting Chris Matthews was two faced about his support and later denigration of Bush’s Iraqi war policy. Not enough people hit MSNBC for their establishment bent on a lot of issues which are obvious false narratives, I’m glad you are not one of them.

Tweety does too much of that. When he started lying about his support of Bush and his policy last month, I stopped watching his show. He is as right leaning as I can tolerate. When he starts equivocating about his bona fides on being right of center, it is time to no longer support his show. I can tolerate watching someone I disagree with, but I can’t stand to watch someone I disagree lie about what their position has consistently or inconsistently been.

Of course, the establishment is too close to whatever administration is in power. But to deny the connection or waffle on what affect it has on their efforts to be a commentator? I draw the line there.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious error Tweety made.